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Greg Fyn
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Mac / PC Cloning - 2008/07/17 19:11 Hello there! I wonder, is there anybody who has tried cloning a OSX/WindowsXP hard disk? I have about 50 machines to load for our school; and I would prefer not to do this manually. Any resources would be greatly appreciated!

Greg
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Tom Dyer
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Re:Mac / PC Cloning - 2008/07/18 02:08 Are the machines iMacs?
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Greg Fyn
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Re:Mac / PC Cloning - 2008/07/18 16:01 I am trying to clone MacBook Pros and iMacs.
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Vaughan White
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Re:Mac / PC Cloning - 2008/07/18 19:06 The easiest way of doing this is to get educational copies of VMWare Fusion, rather than dual boot with bootcamp. You can get great educational pricing and the beauty of it is you can easily restore the XP virtual machine by just copying a known good version over any corrupt one (or even use snapshots).

Once you have it all set up just as you need it then create a disc image using Disk Utility in the Utilities folder. Select File - New - Disc Image from Folder... and select the whole hard disc from Devices. You will need a firewire hard disc or another of your 50 macs booted in Target Mode (hold the 'T' key down whilst booting until you see the firewire symbol of the screen).

Create the image on the firewire drive (it will have created a .dmg file) and once completed from the menu bar select Images - Scan Image for Restore...

This takes about the same amount of time as it took to create the dmg file but must be done or the restore won't work.

Once you have the scanned image file you can restore it to the other macs using network restore (boot from the network by holding the 'N' key down whilst starting the machine until you see a world icon on the screen. I won't go into how to do that here or this would go on for ever. Check out Bombich's excellent Netrestore on his site at
http://www.bombich.com/software/netrestore.html for full details - it has been updated for Leopard.


The other, longer, way is to again set up one of the macs exactly how you want it and then set it into firewire mode. Boot each of the other macs from the dvd (hold the 'C' key down whilst booting until you see the spinning disc), select your language etc and continue until you get a menu bar at the top of the screen. You can now access Disk Utility again. This time select the restore tab and simply drag your connected firewire drive on to the "source" field and your local disc into the "destination" field and tick the 'erase destination' box then hit restore and go and make a coffee, have a smoke, read the forums etc. until finished.

You now have 2 machines with suitable images on them so next time round you can do 2 machines at the same time. This scales up on each pass as the next time you will have 4 machines to image from.

Beware that the discs must be the same size for this second option. If the destination is bigger than the original then you won't be able to use the spare capacity and your macbooks will have smaller discs than the imacs so the whole process will have to be repeated from scratch. This doesn't matter using the Image and Netrestore as long as the size of the image is smaller than the smallest disc, you will get the whole disk size back after the process is finished.

Anyway, the first option is the way I used to do it at the college where I worked and we had 100+ macs there.

I now use another method but you would need a couple of days training on how to use it - Casper and Recon for Mac - allowing you to roll out apps etc pretty much what you use SMS for on the Windows side.

You could also use Carbon Copy Cloner but it is not as techie as the above.

Anyway, that it my solution and others may do it differently - take it as you will. Have fun,

Regards,
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Greg Fyn
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Re:Mac / PC Cloning - 2008/07/18 21:18 Thank you Vaughan,

I did find the Netrestore handy for the Mac OS X cloning. They say that the 3.4.4 version also supports cloning the Windows XP partitions. I tried this but the XP volume was not bootable. After looking to the forums I see that this is a commonplace with restoring to bootcamp with a 50/50 disk space split so tomorrow I will try to make the XP drive on the original image a little smaller and restore it back to a 50/50 disk split....will post the outcome. Unfortunately my client doesn't have the resources to buy the VMWare solution. I would agree with you that it would be ideal.

Thanks again,

Greg Fyn
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Greg Fyn
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Re:Mac / PC Cloning - 2008/07/19 20:46 I thought I would post to report things went so someone else might be able to benefit from my learning experience. Like I said in a previous post the school could not afford the purchase of VMware licenses as I had already spent the bulk of thier annual hardware/software buy on 48 new iMacs for labs and classrooms plus 8 MacBook Pros for our teachers. Apple threw in an XServ, but we also had 2 Windows servers we had to replace (they died). Anyways....I digress....

1) I pre-worked all of my applications and OS updates on one of the laptops. I also installed Windows on a Bootcamp Partition, configured PC apps and patched everything but SP3 as it made the MacBook "blue screen" when I did.

2) I installed Leopard on and external drive.

3) Then we booted to the external drive using the option key at boot-up. I used NetRestore to capture the image of the OSX partition and then he Windows partition to the external drive.

4) I restored the Mac OSX image first to the new machine and OSX used up the entire drive. I ran the bootcamp program to create a Windows Partition. I did attempt several times to use the Netboot 3.4.4 to restore the XP installation, however this not only took hours, but at the very end failed to write a bootable MBR. Evidently the new NTFS partion cloning part is not quite ready for prime-time perhaps it will be fixed in the next version....So hours later...and the urge to drink lots of beer later...I stumbled upon a program called Winclone that can be found at http://twocanoes.com/winclone/. It worked very well, overwrote the FAT32 Bootcamp partition (I had installed Windows on an NTFS volume). The only issue I had with it was that it was rather slow, about 45 minutes to do a 90Gb partition.



5) I booted to the new Windows partition to inspect and what I found was that it discovered new devices. I let it do its thing and then resealed the drive using sysprep which is part of the deployment tool set that can be found at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=673A1019-8E3E-4BE0-AC31-70DD21B5AFA7&displaylang=en .

When I go to do the other 48 machines I am going to try to use ARD to save some time, but at least the worst thing that can happen is I would be able to use the MacBooks in target mode, do my imaging and restore the images 8 machines at a time...

I hope this helps someone.....If there is a better way I'm all ears.

Greg Fyn
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Vaughan White
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Re:Mac / PC Cloning - 2008/07/21 06:12 Greg,

If you would like to go the virtual root and get rid of Bootcamp to make your life a lot easier, then there is always Virtualbox, produced by Sun, check it out and download it from http://www.virtualbox.org/

In addition, academic use of VirtualBox is also permitted free of charge by the PUEL.

Vaughan
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